Showing posts with label Papago. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Papago. Show all posts

Thursday, April 08, 2010

7000 BC

In 7799 BC the Earth had a polar precession of 11.75 degrees. What is the polar precession now? What is a polar precession?
What is a precession.

By 7000 BC there was metal working in Asnatolia and Jericho had a wall. Perhaps there was a Jericho with a wall 20,000 years ago and metal working in Anatolia 10,000 years ago,but our evidence for the 7000 BC time is much stronger. So, nearly all of our dates, for even as little as a 1000 years ago is a matter of probailites and relative strength of evidence. If you care to practice your own judgement a bit more, you can learn a bit more about the rules and practices of evidence and of sample gathering. On these pages be it known that the dates I give represent my best guesses at the moment. My guesses are usually based on the educated guesses of experts I trust.In the same 7000 BC time period records of an opium trade were recorded on clay tablets found in Mesopotamia.
La flor Iraca, flor beraca, ....
The trail from the Sea of Cortez north to what is now Arizona at Quirvaquito Springs and beyond has been used nearly contiously from about 7000 BC to about today. From about 150 AD to 1450 AD it was used by the Hohokam and then by Hai Cid O'odham (I still call the later Pima/Papago who live in the area today). Before that 150 AD time we can say that the routr was used by 'archaic period people.' In more recent time the trail has been used by smugglers, back packers, amd in documented immigrants.
7000 BC can mark a period of change in Mesoamerica. Before 70000 BC evidence suggest that man in the area was mainly a hunter and gatherer. After 7000 BC the climate became drier (had there been a change in precession?) and about the same time there was a marked increase in agriculture. Corn or Maize appeared. Corn of various colors as well as popcorn appeared.

Monday, April 13, 2009

Tohono O'odham

What's the difference between the Papago/Pima and the Tohono O'odham?
Does O' odham look Irish to you?

The Pima have something to do with sheets, don't they?

Have you seen the new Tohono O'odham National Cultural Center & Museum. I haven't.

Do you know anything about the tribes recent renewed cultural ties with people in Mexico?


The Tohono O'odham may be the largest American Indian nation in the US, except for the Navajo. Have the Tohono O'odham been in this land longer than the Navajo?


Who will go with me to the new museum? It is about 70 miles southwest of Tucson, Arizona? I think that it is very near Sells, Arizona. Sells was thought of as the tribal capital. Organ Pipe National Park is right there. I remember a 7000 year old road heading south (and north) near there. I can almost hear the tiny bells that passed that way. It is an interesting area in which to cross the Mexico/US boarder. Wish I had thought of it coming back this time.

Saturday, August 30, 2008

Flower Dream

A Yaqui flower dream can point a good way, even when I dream. I don't know the dance, but the way is good. This purification has no toloache, no alcohol, no special mushroom or cactus. All flowers have their beauty, even the yellow flower of the bitter gourd has its goodness. Still it is best to choose well.
Not perfection, rather perfecting is the way.
Souls get sick, but Yaquis can bring beautiful flower souls.
Powers come and go. Jesuits left. Still there are strong souls and flowers bloom.
Yaquis lost energy with Obergon, still they are wise enough.
They know responsibility for purification of these worlds.
They have been enslaved and value freedom as free beings. The cultivate flowers and wild flowers bloom through a nearly silent spring.
Yaqui flower near Tucson and north of Cuidad Obregon and there and there. Some practice strengthening purification. Some have seen a weakened dear dance. Some can still find the 16th flower world with four fours.
Fawn flower; garden flower; water flower; all good. The fruit of the bitter melon splits and grows before me after its yellow flower. Rain comes to the flower ground and better fruit splits and grows fine flowers.
Yaqui did not die when the Franciscans did not come. The nigh hawk returns and the thunderbird too. The mesquite blooms and brings powerful fruit. Deer flowers are still willing to feed many. Little hoofed brother flower is still willing. There are sticks and sounds of sticks.
There is a tree bent down, rich with flowers. Where is it? Out there in the sage? A flower branch, bent down with flowers.
Look there in the brush. Can you see doves. Can they be in the water?
Surely you can see three walking in the flower world dawn.
Can a bush squirrel still sound large. Can we hear it like and old enchanter?
Can we sleep in these flowers?
Who crawls in these flowers?
Dead grass stands shaking in the wind, there in the flower world. A blue cloud, grey water, mist will reach down, will rain down.
Will we break down the beavers door to kill it? Will we kill it? Kill it with a bow and arrow?
Do you know the cholla flower? Flowers with the body of a young deer? Can you see there where you stand to rub your antlers? How can a deer with antlers stand to rub them beneath a cholla flower? Still the deer and the cholla are willing. It is as it was.
I do not will flowers to move; the flowers will to move. They move. A road of flowers move. The cloud will break. Cloud breaks. Smart energy is available.
Each can cooperate with another. All Cahita were not always friends. Yaqui did not always love Mayo. Navajo does not always love Apache. Cahita were many and many. They farmed the desert too. They knew Pima and Papago and cotton by the old names. Some in the racherias know powerful ways of uniting, of cooperating. Can the find 16 flower souls?
Their vanity let the Spanish divide them. They were divided even knowing the purification of the four principle soul worlds. This is now. Think of sixteen. Now frown or pain.
How is the flower? Answer truly. Be willing to purify in a loving, healthy way. You will move. No need to fight. You will move. Purification is a good way; flowers purifying, perfecting these worlds and this world. Eliminating harm; each flower important.
I can say four fours need no gas and Easter is good enough.
I am not a Yaqui. Yet I speak. I speak of a now big and long. I know a flower road that is strong today and today. What can a Yaqui remember, find in mind, find in the sun, in a pure flower dream?

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